Anne Applebaum, a Pulitzer Prize–winning historian and staff writer at The Atlantic, joins Scott to discuss the rise of kleptocracy in America, the global playbook of autocrats, and solutions to our democratic slide.

Follow Anne, @anneapplebaum.

00:00 - In this episode
1:17 - What is a kleptocracy?
3:08 - Have there been leaders like President Trump in history?
4:11 - Have we been in a kleptocracy for a while?
7:10 - Are we in an autocracy?
8:34 - Who’s at fault?
13:53 - Are we in a kakistocracy?
17:16 - How do we get out of a kleptocracy?
24:24 - Are there any parallels between today’s America and Nazi Germany?
31:33 - Is the U.S. likely to end up like Nazi Germany?
35:10 - What are likely scenarios about the future of the U.S.?
39:17 - How do we respond to an authoritarian?
45:47 - What is the business of Anne Applebaum?
48:38 - What is a concentration camp?
49:39 - What role do universities play in pushing back on autocracy?
56:57 - Do you encourage young people to enter your industry?

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